tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9146215066182995239.post1486554437612307275..comments2024-03-27T22:25:44.006-05:00Comments on Ennyman's Territory: Was Robert Hughes Right About Basquiat?Ed Newmanhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/12703797864648081829noreply@blogger.comBlogger24125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9146215066182995239.post-74957109850830606962023-06-19T14:24:10.928-05:002023-06-19T14:24:10.928-05:00Grateful to have produced a but of writing that st...Grateful to have produced a but of writing that stimulated discussion. Not sure who the last anonymous was, but curious who you are referring to who accused Hughes of hate. I certainly found his film series most illuminating. <br /> Reading the comments here brought to mind a dialogue that took place in 2011 as part of a collaborative show called Red Interactive (with John Heion). For those interest, the issues here were at the center of a brown bag lunch discussion. <br />Dialogue on Role of Art in Society Was Both Surprising and Engaging<br />https://pioneerproductions.blogspot.com/2011/10/dialogue-on-role-of-art-in-society-was.html<br />More Notes from a Discussion About Art<br />https://pioneerproductions.blogspot.com/2011/10/more-notes-from-discussion-about-art.html<br /> These discussions are definitely not the last word on the matter. Ed Newmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12703797864648081829noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9146215066182995239.post-16241044992729191032023-06-19T11:58:59.291-05:002023-06-19T11:58:59.291-05:00Hughes was right and all you have is accuse him of...Hughes was right and all you have is accuse him of hate. Being a critic can mean to be brutal. Brutally honest. And that’s all he did there and boy is he correct in the assessment of Basquiat mediocrity and why it was elevated to something that it is not.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9146215066182995239.post-3780381969064715422023-06-19T11:57:10.213-05:002023-06-19T11:57:10.213-05:00Hughes was rightHughes was rightAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9146215066182995239.post-79592399007347423622022-07-23T07:03:34.054-05:002022-07-23T07:03:34.054-05:00Why can't some of JMB's work be good and s...Why can't some of JMB's work be good and some not why the generalization that he is either one or the other? Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9146215066182995239.post-57236849793312610622022-01-21T03:50:55.524-06:002022-01-21T03:50:55.524-06:00Basquiat was not original. All his work is copied ...Basquiat was not original. All his work is copied from Twombly, Raushenberg, Picasso et al. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9146215066182995239.post-78487399730612925512021-09-21T20:28:56.330-05:002021-09-21T20:28:56.330-05:00I do not know Hughes' training, but I have see...I do not know Hughes' training, but I have seen a few art critics who make more money by being controversial. If people like it, they hate it. <br />And there are probably critics and historians who are so enamored of themselves that they think anyone ignorant who does not agree with them. <br />I do not know Hughes' motivations, but do feel badly about the manner in which Basquiat was exploited. <br />thanks for the note, Cavortext<br />Ed Newmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12703797864648081829noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9146215066182995239.post-77581496608766592102021-09-21T16:40:32.380-05:002021-09-21T16:40:32.380-05:00@cavortext
Rather curious coming from an obscurity...@cavortext<br />Rather curious coming from an obscurity. You did not try enough to "detect" anything, if you had you would have found that he had had an extensive education in art and architecture in Australia. You just added nothing to this discussion but an unfounded opinion. Thank-you. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Hughes_(critic)Sharon Knettellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04024744293096824911noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9146215066182995239.post-12830068783231434062021-09-21T11:30:23.734-05:002021-09-21T11:30:23.734-05:00What exactly was Hughes' training in Art, Art ...What exactly was Hughes' training in Art, Art history or anything relevant? I don't detect anything but poisonous bile in his rantings. <br /> Cavortexthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12779743165998215001noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9146215066182995239.post-39734189087437146592021-07-06T16:30:46.241-05:002021-07-06T16:30:46.241-05:00To the unknown Unknowns here, plus the Anonymous, ...To the unknown Unknowns here, plus the Anonymous, quel courage in presenting your opinions, behind a curtain of anonymity.<br /> Picasso forged among others of his era a whole new vocabulary of art, after extensive training. Matisse's "Carmelina" is a visual figurative treat of considerable deftness.<br /><br />Yes it is cheap and easy to call someone a "geezer" at the end of their lives, "Anonymous" and "Unknown" will find themselves at that part of life's spectrum more rapidly than they expect. Bob Hughes was an intensely handsome, magnetic and brilliant man. Probably "Anonymous" and "Unknown", I wager, not so much. And judging from their florid prose, they are jealous of his brilliant wordsmithing. "Anonymous" and "Unknown", the two posters here, will remain forever, "Anonymous" and "Unknown", while Mr. Hughes's books will continue to be read well into the future.Sharon Knettellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04024744293096824911noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9146215066182995239.post-24453071764830732862021-07-06T12:56:29.339-05:002021-07-06T12:56:29.339-05:00I love Basquiat’s work, both the “scrutable” and i...I love Basquiat’s work, both the “scrutable” and inscrutable. What he fit into 27 yrs was impressive. RIP Huges.<br />Barbara Balzerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08142242309720018501noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9146215066182995239.post-72522796198861763282019-12-29T11:53:55.392-06:002019-12-29T11:53:55.392-06:00Thank you, Unknown. I agree with your assessment o...Thank you, Unknown. I agree with your assessment of Hughes. I myself appreciate the abstract and innovative work. There is often more than meets the eye. Some of my work is here on my art blog which does not get much attention lately. http://ed-newman.blogspot.com/<br />My bigger issue with Basquiat was the way he was exploited.... a different story. <br />I enjoyed the collaborative pieces I saw at the Warhol museum last spring in Pittsburgh.<br />No time to elaborate here... But thanks again for the comment.<br />eEd Newmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12703797864648081829noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9146215066182995239.post-71760515056981294212019-12-29T11:21:06.111-06:002019-12-29T11:21:06.111-06:00Years late to the discussion but I’ll make a few n...Years late to the discussion but I’ll make a few notes for the heck of it. <br />For a certain type of thinker the ideas of “proper” training and technique are the defining qualities of an artists skill, and the quality of the work. Arguably, there have been periods in history when more emphasis has been placed on learning the craft of a medium than is typical today, but it’s hard to make the case that excellence in craft has ever been an end in itself of the works that came to be considered great. We may be impressed by, aspire to, and be inspired by examples of great craft, but we are always seeking something more in the work. The comment by Yossarion mentions Adams in contrast to Basquiat. Adams is a good artists to mention in this context, as he is an example of something that we don’t often want to talk about. He was a technician of the highest order, obsessive about exposure and the formal qualities of his images; he created many wonderful images but he made a lot of bland and pedestrian images too (Hills and Clouds South San Francisco 1936, Tree and Clouds, Tucson AZ, and many others in his book 400 Photographs) Being great at the craft of photography meant that he created many images that were technically well executed but that were nothing more. They don’t contain ideas, concepts or emotions capable of sustaining interest in the work over time. To a certain extent Basquiat provides a different type of example. While I doubt that Basquiat was as naive and untrained as many claim, I am comfortable with the idea that he didn’t have Adams level of technical mastery nor did he consider traditional notions of excellence in craft to be central to his work. Nonetheless his work does contain the ideals, concepts and emotions that sustain interest in it over time. It is absurd to claim that the work would have been better if it had conformed more closely to norms of painterly craft. In addition, to claim that he lacked craft or training is to say that he wasn’t producing exactly the lines, forms, colors, etc that he wanted to, that he felt were necessary to the work, but that’s a question only the artist himself can answer. If a critic or viewer is looking at Riding with Death or Irony of Negro Policeman and lamenting that Basquiat didn’t draw so well, they are missing the point. At the same time if a viewer or critic looks at Basquiat, or Adams, or any other artist and doesn’t feel anything or doesn’t “get” the concept that’s ok because art isn’t universal. The Problem with a critic like Hughes was that he saw his job as being to judge works of art and artists, imposing himself as a false universal. All critics who take this approach end up being fools of their belief in either their own higher standards or the objectivity of their criteria. There are no “objective” standards for assessing the “quality” of an artwork. I think this is why we hold on to notions of craft and training, because on a superficial level it seems like they might be objective, which feels right in some ways, but this “objectivity” doesn’t hold up well under critical examination. Myself, I’d rather spend my time asking questions, trying to figure out what an artist is up to and learning from it. This process isn’t always rewarding, and I don’t like a great deal of the art I see, but It’s far more interesting than what Hughes was up to.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12213803056273301954noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9146215066182995239.post-54306908137916486132019-02-16T11:21:41.283-06:002019-02-16T11:21:41.283-06:00Not true. Van Gogh suffered and grew on his own, ...Not true. Van Gogh suffered and grew on his own, no formal training... Just trial and error. Ansel Adams, arguably, the greatest American photographer, had no formal training. My personal experience is that the professionally trained in the visual arts (not performance, there is a significant difference in my mind) are the most elite and willing to block the untrained out. Basquiat was an anomaly, an untrained and average self promoter who was adopted not only by the moneymaker s, but the professional art community as well. Just read the mostly glowing reviews of him.... These were the trained pushing this garbage.Yossarionhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18253130668604887515noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9146215066182995239.post-34222419710136409212017-05-23T15:27:11.411-05:002017-05-23T15:27:11.411-05:00Anonymus:
"I could take his argument apart wo...Anonymus:<br />"I could take his argument apart word by word. But I do not respect him to the point of giving him my close attention or my time. What he posits does not cohere."<br /><br />This translates to the uninitiated:<br /><br />"I have no arguments" <br /><br />Hughes' requiem is still up to date while the phony system he decries that produced the junkie Basquiat is still in place.Bonus points for calling Shafrazi an Iranian Sleazaball.Steeevyonoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9146215066182995239.post-34987868113674186892017-05-21T16:17:15.331-05:002017-05-21T16:17:15.331-05:00Thanks for weighing in.
eThanks for weighing in. <br />eEd Newmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12703797864648081829noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9146215066182995239.post-68233163023481348382017-05-21T12:24:02.459-05:002017-05-21T12:24:02.459-05:00Hughes contra Basquiat_"Requiem for a Feather...Hughes contra Basquiat_"Requiem for a Featherweight" by Robert Hughes, November 20, 1988 in The New Republic_<br />For good or ill, Jean Michel Basquiat is in the news. 110 million dollars in the news. Just for the hell of it. I revisited the essay above. Hughes does not age well. This is difficult to read without wincing at the injustice of just about every hate fueled sentence. Hughes is in the absolute grip of an inconsolable rage. You can't call this rant, critical writing. It is hate speech from a man whose intellectual acuity has devolved into the Jeremiad of a charmless old geezer slipping sideways on a rain slaked sidewalk. <br />All ego minus heart. Hughes is useless agony. A geriatric reactionary waving his cane with ineluctable menace. <br />Or is this Savonarola in the guise of social justice warrior__with a mouth machine spouting ideological apercus that only a Bolshevik would believe ? <br />Hughes seems more than ever, an irony from another age. A curiosity who finds himself critically stuck on the wrong side of history.<br />The Requiem is embarrassing to read. The writer buries himself in his own bile. <br />All that negative energy focused on a kid who makes art. <br />Hughes merely registers as one more rage-aholic with murder on his mind. <br />This critic fires words at human flesh like a hit man with an uzi. <br />Fortunately his vision is skewed. <br />He can't see straight to hit the target. <br />If I cared enough.<br />I could take his argument apart word by word. But I do not respect him to the point of giving him my close attention or my time. What he posits does not cohere. <br />Suffice it to say. With this blanket condemnation of Basquiat. Hughes is just plain wrong. <br />Tossing word bombs from the sidelines is a sure sign of someone who feels powerless to mold the world into their straitjacket vision of something that will never occur.<br />Eden never looked so awful...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9146215066182995239.post-34373650904747837632016-08-23T20:46:22.314-05:002016-08-23T20:46:22.314-05:00Excellent argument.Excellent argument.Godforgehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06347207562538602391noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9146215066182995239.post-13083578814474400522016-05-22T13:44:48.526-05:002016-05-22T13:44:48.526-05:00Robert Hughes was right about both Basquiat and Sc...Robert Hughes was right about both Basquiat and Schnabel.lvbhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07184195561813350948noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9146215066182995239.post-34766890228901671712013-06-01T10:19:36.656-05:002013-06-01T10:19:36.656-05:00Made me smile. Have you seen that urinal? It's...Made me smile. Have you seen that urinal? It's quite unusual. It's in a room in an art museum. <br />Ed Newmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12703797864648081829noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9146215066182995239.post-64289191362588996192013-06-01T10:15:53.369-05:002013-06-01T10:15:53.369-05:00Ah, one could only wish that DuChamp had been flus...Ah, one could only wish that DuChamp had been flushed down his famous urinal. Sorry- I could not resist that!Sharon Knettellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04024744293096824911noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9146215066182995239.post-29368212829571888712013-05-23T17:25:26.430-05:002013-05-23T17:25:26.430-05:00Thank you, Sharon, for this insightful commentatry...Thank you, Sharon, for this insightful commentatry. Duchamp famously mocked the art establishment with his readymades, and there are some who have continued the tradition of "anything is art" whereas our gut says, "This is just trash" at times. Duchamp also said (later) that history will determine what has value (that we can't see clearly in the present). <br /> <br />There will always be a tension between the two ends of the spectrum and I completely understand your sentiments.<br /><br />Thanks for your contribution here.\<br /> Ed Newmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12703797864648081829noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9146215066182995239.post-34081984972074888762013-05-23T15:07:32.112-05:002013-05-23T15:07:32.112-05:00I find it quite amusing that proper training is sn...I find it quite amusing that proper training is sniffed at in art- mostly by those who with even a lifetime of training could not execute a proper orange. <br /><br />However, dancers are expected to have quite rigorous training even, I suspect in the most avante-garde of dance performances- although I did see a work in Boulder, Colorado about rutting walrusses which may disprove my thesis.<br /><br />I hardly think any of these dance companies would allow someone to flit across the floor simply to express themselves. It would be a positive no no at the ABT or the Alvin Ailey, I would posit.<br /><br />Yet, properly promoted, talentless wannabees can flood most of the major galleries of planet. Hughes is correct in saying that there is a lack of connoisseurship.<br /><br />One patron of mine called me over to see her latest aquisition-a gigantic Eric Fishcl nude. The lady had split with a major sum of dineros for the hefty naked person. It was a spectacularly monumental hulk of bad anatomy that left me rather speechless. I did manage a rather weak- "Oh it is so filled with light" or something.<br /><br />We expect the musicians, and actors to be trained before seeing performance or movie- unless it is in our garage- why are artists let off the hook?<br /><br /><br /><br /><br />Sharon Knettellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04024744293096824911noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9146215066182995239.post-57512664738846080172013-04-23T19:44:50.069-05:002013-04-23T19:44:50.069-05:00thought provoking points...
thought provoking points...<br />Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08163079379408279396noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9146215066182995239.post-48435179811513529662012-08-30T19:22:39.708-05:002012-08-30T19:22:39.708-05:00good read!good read!Jaredhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02886033890325048960noreply@blogger.com