Thursday, March 26, 2026

Patra McSharry Sevastiades, Co-Author of Grace Unbound part 2

March 9, 2026 press conference in Chicago.
This is part two of my Interview with Patra McSharry Sevastiades. 
In the second half of our conversation, co-author Patra Sevastiades reflects on the craft behind the book—how raw material became a compelling narrative, how structure and storytelling choices were made, and what it meant to shape another person’s deeply personal story with care, discipline, and trust.

 EN: I've collaborated with authors on two books. Each had important and fascinating stories but needed a lot of editing, which was my role. What was the process of your book project as co-author with Fr. Demetrius? 

Patra: What I brought to this project was a facility for writing and for editing.

Here’s the back story. My late husband, Fr. Philemon Sevastiades, had heard that

Fr. Demetri had met a man on death row, Andrew Kokoraleis, and had attempted to save his life. My late husband recommended that that Fr. Demetri write a book about the Orthodox Christian perspective on the death penalty and even developed a book outline. But he died in 2004 so that book never came to be.


Perhaps fifteen years later, the bishop asked a different priest to write a similar book, and the bishop asked me to edit it. I read it and I marked it up. I did not think it would appeal to a general audience. But what was gripping in the 300 pages of manuscript were the little stories that popped up. One, two, or three narrative paragraphs might show up in a given chapter. So I suggested a new approach: focus on the stories and allow narrative to drive the book. We pretty much wrote a completely new manuscript.

One thing we agreed to from the start: we wanted the book to appeal to the general reader, not someone steeped in church history or theology or even spiritual topics.

Second, we found a good process. His Grace talked about things—he is a natural storyteller with an excellent memory—and I took a stab at writing it down, for instance, a given scene or event that he described. I would build in many options (asking him to choose among 3 or 4 adjectives or verbs or to suggest a different one) and I would build in questions. How did that feel? Why did you do that? How did another person look/sound? This would open up a larger conversation. I would understand more, and that would be entrusted to the page as well. 


We would go over a section again and again until we got it right. I remember one time we spent 45 minutes—or maybe it was three hours!—talking about one verb! A lot of the book had to do with crisis points in the lives of either the bishop or the people to whom he was ministering, so we were very careful about details and language. We developed an outstanding process of dialogue and a trust between ourselves. Let me add that a question often brought up other stories or clarifications that were themselves quite interesting. In this way, the book bloomed in front of us.


Third, the story also involved a great deal of contextual research. My husband, Dean Casperson, suggested that we add background about HIV/AIDS, since a lot of people probably don’t know that story. He was right. I also needed information about the death penalty, in Illinois and in the United States. In the end, I took out subscriptions to newspaper archives to research events and people, and that research was then woven into the text.


“I was afraid the book was going to be a ‘church’ book,” admitted Politico journalist Shia Kapos when she recently interviewed Bishop Demetrios in Chicago. “But it wasn’t, it was written in a journalistic way.” When I heard her say that, I was relieved that our approach—combining personal narrative and research—had been deemed successful by a journalist.


Beyond the book itself, I did a great deal of research on how to write a great book proposal. I did research on how to write sales copy for the back of the book. I did research on how best to tell a story. I researched literary agents. I submitted 24 book proposals, all of which yielded a no or a non-response. I kept improving the book proposal each time before I sent it to a new agent. But the 25th book proposal, the one that had all the magic ingredients in just the right measure, was the one that landed us an agent. A month later, we had a publisher.


EN: A lot of editorial decisions go into the structure of a story like this. I believe I understand the motivation for beginning with the grisly details of the "Ripper Crew" murders. It is palpably gripping. But it also takes place years after the story of Bob, the man with AIDS. How was the interweaving of stories decided?


Patra: The overall arc of the book is about Andrew and the death penalty in Illinois because the story occurred across twelve years, and there was a great deal of storytelling about what happened in the state.

Once we made that decision, then we had to say, what do we do with everything else? The story about the AIDS pandemic had fewer details to address; the volume of information would fill less space. If you have two stories, and one is longer than the other, what do you do? Make it chronological? Or open with a dramatic scene that is out of chronological sequence? Sometimes the two timelines overlapped—what then?


And of course, you need drama right off the bat. One of the most dramatic things was the question of whether a man named Andrew was going to be executed or not, and we needed the reader to care about Andrew and about the priest visiting him, Fr. Demetri. We wanted to leave readers wondering, chapter by chapter, What’s going to happen?


The architecture of the book is something we wrestled with. A lot of my time was spent not on writing, but on thinking about the structure and moving things around, thinking, would this work, would that work? Might something else work? You will have to tell us if we succeeded!


We decided to include the story of Demetri, the teenage boy who becomes a priest (and later a bishop) despite his family’s disapproval. His calling to the priesthood was a reminder of the timeless, transcendent quality of some aspects of tradition that are not “logical” but are deeply reassuring. This also allowed the reader to see the bishop as a vulnerable, flawed, relatable person. Following Demetri’s personal spiritual journey and tying that journey into the chapters about HIV/AIDS would allow the book to feel balanced: Andrew and the death penalty in one chapter, HIV/AIDS and Demetri’s spiritual journey in the other, alternating, a 50/50 treatment.


Just when we thought we were done, our editor said, You need to add a final chapter; the action in the book ends in 2011, and you need to update the reader. This was a surprise, a demand that, in the end, pushed open another door, one that allowed readers to walk with the bishop through the most painful passage of his life, when everything fell apart. But what else could we do?


We wrote the new chapter. It was challenging, painful for the bishop to recount. It wasn't until we were almost finished with it that I suddenly saw the throughline; I gasped when I realized the point of the book—the point of the bishop’s life, if you will. It showed up at two crucial moments early in the book, and again in the closing scene. The writing of the book had clarified the meaning of Demetri’s calling to the priesthood; even the painful passage of his life glowed with a meaningful brightness.


And then he wrote the pithy epilogue that he'd always dreamed of writing. 
Throughout, there was always a back and forth, an interplay of good ideas and shared effort. I know that the writing was improved by having two minds weighing in on it.


EN: A book project like this is a major time commitment. What prompted you to make that commitment, to tell someone else's story from start to finished publication?


Patra: I loved the idea that I would get to finish the project that my late husband had suggested. The book was quite different from what he originally proposed, but that connection was still very meaningful.


I had retired from the Duluth Library Foundation, and the challenge appealed to me. It was also paid work, so that helped!


In the end, it took about three years to write a compelling book proposal (with a gripping letter to an agent, three solid chapters, good sales copy, and a good argument about why it would sell), find an agent, find an editor, then finish writing the book.


Story is important, but the person behind the story is even more important. Grace Unbound was somebody else’s story, not mine, and it was important to respect that. It had to be told from the bishop’s perspective and how he experienced it; he would live with the consequences of the book in a very immediate sense. As for me, I wanted to be proud of the work that I was doing, and I wanted His Grace to feel that his story was accurately reflected. I heard a lot of a lot of personal stories. Some of them ended up in the book. Some of them didn't. But when you share that much about yourself, you get to know someone pretty well. We came to trust each other, and that was also meaningful. In talking to our agent and talking to our editor, we would always refer to one another to make sure that we were always speaking as one and backing each other up. We had a very strong sense of teamwork. This mutual respect was very special.


It was a great honor to work on this book with Bishop Demetrios.


To purchase Grace Unbound, you can ask your local bookstore to order it, or find it online here at Amazon.com.


Read a book review here: 

Grace Unbound: Memoir of an Orthodox Bishop Who Takes the Roads Not Taken



Illustration: Susan Jessico

Wednesday, March 25, 2026

A Visit with Patra McSharry Sevastiades, Co-Author of Grace Unbound

Patra McSharry Sevastiades
Patra McSharry Sevastiades is an accomplished author, editor, and advocate whose career bridges publishing, education, and community leadership. She began by editing scientific papers for Soviet émigré scientists before authoring nine acclaimed children's nonfiction books, including The Vietnam Veterans Memorial and The Hoover Dam. Her editorial work includes significant religious texts such as Apocalypse: The Book of Revelation and The Gospel of Love: A Meta-Translation. 

She served as Editorial Director at Rosen Publishing Group in New York and later as Executive Director of the Duluth Library Foundation, championing literacy and civic engagement. A widow of Greek Orthodox priest Fr. Philemon Sevastiades, she now lives in Duluth, Minnesota, with husband Dean Casperson, their blended family of seven children, and nine grandchildren. Her latest work, co-authored in 2025, is Grace Unbound: The Sacred Activism of an Orthodox Bishop, a compelling narrative of faith-inspired social justice through the life of Bishop Demetrios C. Kantzavelos.

 

EN: What was your role with the Duluth Library Foundation and what is the foundation's mission? 

Patra: I worked at the Duluth Library Foundation from 2011 to 2021. In the last several years of my time there, I was the executive director. Before that, I was an independent contractor, a consultant trying to make things happen. The mission of the Duluth Library Foundation was to expand the Library's capacity to purchase materials and offer programs beyond what the city budget allowed, and I'm happy to say we were able to accomplish that owing to the graciousness of generous donors and the success of pursuing grants. 

 

We had an endowment, of course, which grew from $700,000 at the time that I started, to $2.1 million by the time I left. That felt pretty good. Obviously, that has to do with how money is invested and how the market is doing, but it also reflected remarkable bequests and gifts from people with a heart for the library and books. It gave us a capacity to help the Library, as did several fundraising events and campaigns that we ran each year. It was a joy to see the librarians happy with expanded resources and especially to see children and adults enjoying something that the Foundation made possible.

 

EN: What prompted you to ask Santa for a dictionary when you were six?

Patra:  Why did I ask Santa for a dictionary when I was six years old? I liked language. I thought it was fun knowing stuff. I think, too, that to the child I was, a dictionary embodied the idea that life is safe, not chaotic. A dictionary means that a word has a meaning, or meanings, that are predictably the same.

 

EN:  You have published four books for young readers on diverse themes including The Vietnam War Memorial and the Hoover Dam. What inspired you to tackle these projects and what did you learn from writing books targeted to 8-10 year olds?

Patra:  The reason I wrote the children’s books that I did was because there was an opportunity.  Those books needed to be written to round out a series, and I was willing, and I needed to earn more money. It was a way to accomplish those things. It was fun to learn how to write for a certain age. It forced me to simplify my thoughts and boil them down to their essence. I also like learning facts and the often-surprising histories behind each topic.

 

EN: Your career has taken you from studying Russian in Moscow to editing in Washington, DC, and advocating for literacy in the Midwest. How have these diverse experiences shaped your perspective on resilience and adaptability, especially for women navigating multifaceted careers?

Patra:  Looking back, there seems to be rhyme and reason to it, but at the time, it certainly didn't seem like it. Life is full of twists and turns, and you follow your heart and your intuition. Opportunities popped up in moments I didn't expect them. Things happened, and I had to pay the bills. A door would open and I'd walk through it, and unexpected things would happen on the other side of the door. I suppose I don't see that as being unique to women, or to parents. As a parent, I found, part of you has to pay the bills for your children’s sake, they're depending on you. It's not just you or your spouse, but these little faces looking up at you. Necessity and resilience both played a part.

 

I'm grateful there has been so much good in my life. So many doors did open, and there was a kind of a through line that brought me from being a six-year-old wanting a dictionary to studying Russian in college because I loved the work of Dostoevsky, then from translated Russian manuscripts to mainstream publishing, through publishing to my first husband, and from that to raising money for the library, which in turn brought me to my second husband, himself a book collector.

 

I would say this: keep your eyes open. Look for the next opportunity. I often kept my nose to the grindstone and didn’t look up enough to see what else might be possible. I wish I'd done more of that.

 

L to R: Patra Sevastiades, Catherine McSharry and
Bishop Demetrios C. Kantzavelos
EN: Your role as an editorial director in New York involved growing both the team and the number of books published. Can you share a memorable experience from that time where you helped bring a writer’s vision to life, and how did that shape your perspective on the power of storytelling?   

Patra:   My interest in the power of story and storytelling and shaping it got started when I was working outside of Washington, DC, for Delphic Associates, a “beltway bandit” that secured government contracts seeking information during the Cold War about Soviet science. My boss, Gerry Guensberg, owner and founder, had a vast and growing collection of resumes from Soviet scientists who had immigrated to the United States. The US government might want a paper on Soviet helicopter technology, and Jerry would find a scientist to write it and would submit a proposal. Once the contract was secured, we would commission a paper and then have it translated. 


As a rule, the scientists  are brilliant but usually not great writers. We would have it translated into English and then work with the author to improve it, working by phone and also face to face. We added historical background and political context and made sure the text was clear to the general reader. Then we published it. I discovered that I loved the process, and I loved working with authors.

 

EN:  Can you share a little more about your career as an editor?

Patra: In my experience as an editor, the magical part happens when you help an author see with fresh eyes how their manuscript reads. I remember one particular moment when I had the pleasure of working with Robert Olen Butler, a Pulitzer Prize-winning author. He submitted a short story to our publication, Icarus, a quarterly of international writing, modeled after Granta but for young adults. It was excellent. As was my norm, I wrote a letter complimenting the author on the story and suggested only one small change, to clarify a slightly confusing image of the movement of a fish.

 

Then I called him, as previously agreed, and he was angry at me. He had a point: he was a Pulitzer Prize-winning author. Who was I to suggest a change to his story? I listened to him, and when he was done venting, I said, “I understand what you're saying.” Then I asked, “May I tell you how I understood the sentence as it is written?” 


I read the sentence and told him what had confused me: I couldn’t tell if the fish was in the boat or outside of it. That had made me stop and wonder.


“My concern,” I told him, “is that if a reader stops reading because something is unclear, they might just stop reading and put the book down. I don't want them to put the book down. I want the text to be clear enough that they'll keep reading.”


He listened and perceived that it was in his interest that I made my suggestion, it wasn’t about my ego. “Tell me how you would change it,” he said. I read it to him with my suggested change. “Oh, that's all,” he said. “That's fine.” He was a lovely, gracious person.


That was a great experience. It was and is a pleasure to work with other people and come to a good resolution. It is satisfying to see good ideas get better. 


CONTNUED


Tuesday, March 24, 2026

Tech Tuesday: A.I., Robots and Future Impacts of the Tech Revolution

Over the past decade, I've been fascinated by the rapid rise of artificial intelligence and its profound impact on work, creativity, journalism, marketing, and society at large. From early conversations with futurist Calum Chace about The Economic Singularity and Surviving AI, to exploring how ChatGPT is reshaping storytelling and white-collar jobs, I've been tracking AI’s journey from speculative fiction to everyday reality.

In this collection, you’ll find reflections on jobs that AI may soon transform or eliminate, ethical questions surrounding AI-generated art in advertising, the poetic warnings of Richard Brautigan, optimistic predictions from Mark Cuban, and even the possibility of chatbots falling in love. Whether you're concerned about the future of your career, curious about AI’s creative potential, or simply trying to make sense of this technological revolution, I offer these posts as a thoughtful, wide-ranging look at one of the most important stories of our time.

AI Artificial Intelligence

A Visit with Futurist Calum Chace on his new book The Economic Singularity

https://pioneerproductions.blogspot.com/2016/06/a-visit-with-futurist-calum-chace-on.html


Surviving AI by Calum Chace Is a Must Read for Those Who Plan to Be Here in the Future

https://pioneerproductions.blogspot.com/2016/06/surviving-ai-by-calum-chace-is-must.html


Will Computers Put Journalists Out Of Business? Check Out These 7 Stories

https://pioneerproductions.blogspot.com/2016/04/will-computers-put-journalists-out-of.html


The AI Revolution and Marketing (Part One)

https://pioneerproductions.blogspot.com/2024/10/the-ai-revolution-and-marketing-part-one.html


What Kinds of Jobs Will Be Lost Due to AI?

https://pioneerproductions.blogspot.com/2023/07/what-kinds-of-jobs-will-be-lost-due-to.html


Four ChatGPT Stories with Implications for All

https://pioneerproductions.blogspot.com/2023/04/four-chatgpt-stories-with-implications.html


Can ChatBots Fall In Love?

https://pioneerproductions.blogspot.com/2023/03/can-chatbots-fall-in-love.html


Tech Tuesday: A.I. Is Already Taking White Collar Writing Jobs. Who's Next?

https://pioneerproductions.blogspot.com/2016/08/tech-tuesday-ai-is-already-taking-white.html


Interview with David Asch Offers Insights On A.I.

https://pioneerproductions.blogspot.com/2021/10/interview-with-david-asch-offers.html


The Importance of Klara and the Sun For Data Science Workers (by David Asch)

https://medium.com/management-matters/the-importance-of-klara-and-the-sun-for-data-science-workers-2b9768c2d50f


Tech Tuesday: The Future of Jobs (Part One)

https://pioneerproductions.blogspot.com/2020/06/tech-tuesday-future-of-jobs-part-one.html


Richard Brautigan's "All Watched Over By Machines Of Loving Grace"

https://pioneerproductions.blogspot.com/2018/02/richard-brautigans-all-watched-over-by.html


Tech Tuesday: Two AI Specialists Place Wagers on the Economic Impact of AI

https://pioneerproductions.blogspot.com/2017/12/tech-tuesday-two-ai-specialists-place.html


Tech Tuesday: Mark Cuban Predicts AI Entrepreneur Trillionaires

https://pioneerproductions.blogspot.com/2017/03/tech-tuesday-mark-cuban-predicts-ai.html


A.I. Art in Advertising: Unethical or Much Ado about Nothing?

https://pioneerproductions.blogspot.com/2023/04/ai-art-in-advertising-unethical-or-much.html


Flashback Friday: Will A.I. Finally Solve the JFK Assassination?

https://pioneerproductions.blogspot.com/2024/11/flashback-friday-will-ai-finally-solve.html


Michael Glover Smith Sheds Light on Bob Dylan as Film Maker

Three weeks ago I learned about Michael Glover Smith's new book Bob Dylan as Filmmaker: No Time to Think (McNidder & Grace, 2026).  Smith is both an avid fan of film and of Bob Dylan, whom he has seen in concert more than 75 times, and his book is an impressive deep dive into its subject.

Smith is an award-winning Chicago-based filmmaker whose latest production, Hekla, was premiered March 6, four days after after the release of his new book. In this insightful interview, Smith draws on his own experience as a director and makes a compelling case for Bob Dylan as a legitimate auteur. The book explores Dylan's directorial works—like the experimental Eat the Document (1966/1972), the epic Renaldo and Clara (1978), and the semi-surreal Masked and Anonymous (2003)—revealing how these films offer a personal window into Dylan's evolving identity, performance, and artistry across key eras. 


Dylan as a Filmmaker 

EN: Dylan is often described as an elusive or anti-narrative artist. How does that sensibility translate into his filmmaking—does he reject traditional storytelling, or is he creating a different kind of narrative altogether?

MGS: The films about which I consider Dylan to be the primary author, Eat the Document, Renaldo and Clara, and Masked and Anonymous, all employ strategies familiar from his songwriting. Dylan's best narrative songs always feel intentionally "incomplete" -- as if he's giving us a puzzle with some of the pieces missing, and we have to work with him to complete the narrative. I'm thinking of "Tangled Up in Blue," "Brownsville Girl," and even something more recent like "Tin Angel." They're all story-songs that are disorientingly non-linear or that shift their perspectives in tantalizing ways. Dylan's films operate in a similar register.


EN: Many viewers find Dylan’s films challenging or even frustrating. Do you think that’s intentional? Is he testing the audience in the same way he has throughout his musical career?

MGSI think Dylan likes to challenge his audience, no matter the medium he's working in. The fact that he's been phenomenally successful as a musician has probably allowed him to care less about whether the films are successful. Larry Charles gave an interview at the time of the release of Masked and Anonymous where he claimed that Dylan had said to him something like, "Don't worry about how this movie does in the short term." It was as if Dylan knew the film wouldn't do well initially but would eventually be re-evaluated, which is exactly what happened. Not many people working in the film medium have that luxury. Most filmmakers want to be as successful as possible right away because that will allow them to make the next movie. Masked and Anonymous is very perverse: It has a huge A-list ensemble cast, and yet it refuses to function as a commercial object, which is why I compare it to Godard's King Lear. It's deliberately anti-climactic: The whole film seems to be building up to this big benefit concert but when it finally happens, it gets shut down after one song. 


EN: If we think of Dylan as an auteur, what are the defining characteristics of his cinematic voice? What themes or techniques recur across his work as a filmmaker?

MGSI make the point early on in my book that the subject of every Bob Dylan film is "Bob Dylan." He's telling us how it feels to be him -- what his life is like on the road as a touring musician, his relationship to his art, and the difficulty he has in striking a balance between his personal life and his professional life. I would go so far as to say that I think he's more nakedly autobiographical in his films (especially when he's playing characters named "Renaldo" and "Jack Fate") than he is in his own songs. Formally, Dylan's movies are most interesting in terms of how they're edited. In Eat the Document and Renaldo and Clara, the two films that Dylan directed, he exerts his authorial voice most as an editor. He's using footage shot by D.A. Pennebaker, Howard Alk and others, and then re-arranging it to create new meanings in the editing room. I think that with Masked and Anonymous, he did essentially the same thing but at the scriptwriting stage (i.e., combining different literary fragments like he does in his recent songs).


Renaldo and Clara (1978)

EN: Renaldo and Clara blends documentary, fiction, and performance in unusual ways. What was Dylan trying to achieve with that hybrid form, and how should audiences approach it?

MGSI think Renaldo and Clara is the ultimate Bob Dylan movie. He's deliberately experimenting with the language of cinema by combining different modes of filmmaking. I think a lot of viewers have been frustrated by it because they bring preconceptions to it. I've read a lot of reviews, for instance, that claim that the character of "Bob Dylan" is played by Ronnie Hawkins and that "Mrs. Dylan" is played by Ronee Blakley -- because that's how those actors are credited at the end. So people watch the movie with that in mind and try to make sense of it in that way. But I think Dylan created those credits as a joke in the editing room. Blakley has said that she was unaware she was playing Dylan's wife during the shooting of her scenes. It's a wild movie, and it's very funny. My advice to anyone watching it for the first time is to just let it wash over you. Let it take you for a ride and don't worry about what it "means" any more than you worried about what "Desolation Row" meant the first time you listened to it. Then, if you feel compelled to watch it again, I would advise paying attention to Dylan's use of juxtaposition. Why is he cutting from this image to that image or from this scene to that scene? What do the scenes have in common on a thematic level? Why does he juxtapose a particular song with a particular set of images? It's a very carefully edited movie, but the juxtapostions are more poetic than they are narrative.


EN: The film has often been criticized as self-indulgent or incoherent. In your view, is that a fair critique—or are critics missing something essential about its purpose?

MGSCalling a film "self-indulgent" or "pretentious" is often a way for critics to let themselves off the hook. They don't even have to try to analyze what the movie is doing. They can just describe their own confusion and how hostile they feel about it. You see this with virtually every mainstream review of Godard's work in recent decades. The amazing thing about Renaldo and Clara is that Dylan's screen time is relatively minimal! Pauline Kael famously said that Dylan gave himself more close-ups than any actor has had in the entire history of cinema. I'm guessing she said that solely because of the "Tangled Up in Blue" sequence, which is a single-take scene of Dylan performing the song in close-up. But Dylan was very generous as a filmmaker in terms of how much screen time he devotes to all the members of the Rolling Thunder ensemble. He allows us to see great performances by Ronee Blakley, Joan Baez, Ramblin' Jack Elliott, Allen Ginsberg, etc. Ginsberg barely performed on the Rolling Thunder Revue, but he ends up being a major presence in the movie.


EN: In college I went to a lot of "art films" (including an hour of Warhol's 24 hour Empire.) Was R&C deliberately more "art film" as a genre or something else?

MGSRenaldo and Clara is definitely an "art film." Dylan was exposed to European art films for the first time when he arrived in Greenwich Village in 1961. He has cited Truffaut's Shoot the Piano Player, Godard's Breathless, and Fellini's La Dolce Vita as influences in interviews. I don't think Eat the Document would have turned out quite the way it did if Dylan had not been exposed to those films. It's interesting that you mention Warhol's Empire. Dylan also praised Warhol's use of the long, uninterrupted take in that film when promoting Renaldo and Clara in 1978. 


Masked and Anonymous (2003)

EN: This film feels like a fractured allegory of America—almost dreamlike and disjointed. What is Dylan saying about American culture or identity through that structure?

MGSMasked and Anonymous is a very bleak and pessimistic movie. It takes place in a version of America that's a totalitarian police state in the midst of a civil war. There's only one television network, and it's controlled by the government. At the time of the film's release, that seemed fanciful. But in 2026, Larry and David Ellison, who are aligned with Trump, control CBS, HBO, Warner Brothers, TikTok, CNN, and a whole bunch of other cable channels and networks. I don't think Dylan and Larry Charles were necessarily trying to predict the future in making that movie. They were just looking at American history -- the Presidency of Andrew Jackson, the American Civil War, the legacies of slavery and racism -- and using that to create a version of America as seen in a "carnival mirror" (to borrow a phrase Dylan uses to describe La Dolce Vita in Chronicles: Volume One).


EN: Dylan’s character seems both central and strangely passive. How does that reflect his artistic persona, and what role does he play within the film’s world?

MGSI talked to Larry Charles about this at the Sundance premiere in 2003. The central idea of the movie is that Jack Fate is a Buster Keaton-like figure, completely stone-faced. Everyone around him is acting their asses off. They're all giving these verbose monologues, chewing up the scenery, and Dylan just stands there silently. Or maybe he'll say one pithy line. It's as if he's a blank slate and they're all projecting onto him. That was very deliberate on Larry Charles' part. I think part of the reason was recognizing Dylan's limitations as an actor, not requiring him to have to do too much. There's also a long history of laconic leading men in American cinema -- the "strong, silent type" that you see in westerns and in film noir. They're riffing on that as well.


Shadow Kingdom (2021)

EN: Shadow Kingdom is visually controlled and intimate, almost theatrical. How does this film differ from Dylan’s earlier cinematic work in terms of style and intention?

MGSI love Shadow Kingdom! You're right in describing it as "visually controlled." According to Alexander Burke, who plays the accordion player in the film, Dylan "respected the shit out of" director Alma Har'el. I think he trusted her and was content to let her do her thing in a way that he may not have been with, say, Richard Marquand in Hearts of Fire or the directors of some of his music videos. The production design and the cinematography of Shadow Kingdom are both really great. It's beautifully lit and shot. The director of photography was Lol Crawley, who would go on to win an Oscar for The Brutalist. The extras are all wearing period costumes, and there are all sorts of interesting set design touches -- the checkerboard floor, the air conditioner with tassels in front of it, etc. All of that took a lot of care and planning. We thought it was going to be a live concert, but it turned out to be a real movie instead!


EN: The film revisits Dylan’s earlier songs in a stylized setting. Is this nostalgia, reinvention, or something else entirely?

MGSI think that Dylan had been wanting to do something like this for a long time, and that it took the pandemic for him to finally have the time to realize it. According to journalist David Wild, who I interviewed for the book, Dylan wanted to make a fake documentary about the making of "Love and Theft." The idea was for him and his band to go back into the studio after they had made the album, lip-sync the songs, and have someone film that. And then pretend like that was real footage of the making of that album. For whatever reason, he decided not to do it, but Shadow Kingdom ended up being a kind of similar cinematic hoax. I think the biggest stylistic influences on Shadow Kingdom are French Poetic Realism (a kind of precursor to American film noir) and Twin Peaks: The Return, which incongruously features lip-synced performances by famous musicians in a similarly intimate and surreal "roadhouse" setting.


EN: Michael, thank you for your time. I'm impressed by the book and your enthusiasm for both film history and Dylan.


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