Mark Gober Shares Ideas About Consciousness from His New Book, An End to Upside Down Thinking

One evening this past month my mind went down a path that began like this: What If We’re Wrong?

I then began scribbling down notes, which I set aside to ponder later.
What if we’re wrong about what it means to be good citizens?
What if we’re wrong about voting being something that really, really matters?
What if we’re wrong about democracy being good? Is Democracy sacred? Why? Our American experiment is a little over two centuries old.
What if political action is a massive distraction from more important things in our families and communities?

When I began reading Mark Gober's book An End To Upside Down Thinking a whole new set of questions emerged, pertaining to the nature of reality and consciousness. At one time Copernicus must have asked, "What if the earth was not the center of the universe?" Gober believes that in time many of the commonly held beliefs of science, as regard consciousness, will be upended. His book is a contribution to this revolution.

The book, which I wrote about here on Friday, explores a lot of areas where commonly accepted views are being challenged, where more "what if" questions need to be revisited. What follows here is an interview with the author.

EN: You have invested a lot of time into investigating your instincts or presuppositions about consciousness. What were the catalysts or trigger events that nudged you in this direction?

Mark Gober

Mark Gober: In August 2016, I randomly stumbled across podcasts that challenged everything I thought I knew. The more I investigated, the more I realized I needed to re-think existence and who and what we are. To be clear: before this, I had no explicit instincts or suppositions about the ideas discussed in my book. If anything, my views were opposite what they now are. After my initial exposure to thought-provoking podcasts, I then researched extensively for a year while continuing in my day job in finance/consulting. Over a few weekends in July 2017, I wrote what is now my book An End to Upside Down Thinking. Why write a book? I realized the ideas represented a revolution bigger than any we've ever seen. For example, we used to think the earth is flat. Then we thought (incorrectly) that the earth was at the center of the solar system. The next one is: we used to think the brain produces consciousness.

EN: In my philosophy of mind class in college, our first assignment was to write a paper addressing this issue: what would you experience if you woke one morning and your brain had been exchanged with someone in England? This seems like a central theme, as you ask readers to reconsider the brain’s relationship to consciousness. How would answer the question posed by my professor in 1971?

MG: In my book, I first address the fact that we have no idea how a brain could produce consciousness. This is known as "the hard problem" of consciousness. All we know is that the brain is related to consciousness. But we don't know if the brain produces it. I then provide evidence suggesting that consciousness doesn't come from the brain at all, that the brain acts more like an antenna/receiver or filter of consciousness, and that consciousness is more fundamental than matter. Matter doesn't create consciousness; rather, consciousness creates matter. Furthermore, the evidence points toward the idea that we are all fundamentally connected as part of a singular, underlying consciousness. So even though we seem to have individual experiences, our minds are actually connected.

One of the phenomena I discuss in my book is called a "near-death experience." These are instances in which a person has a severely impaired brain or sometimes is even clinically dead, and yet the person reports lucid memories. In An End to Upside Down Thinking I explain why the near-death experience can't be explained as a mere hallucination but rather it may teach us something about the broader reality that our brain normally filters or obfuscates from our perception. In the near-death experience people often report a "life review" in which they experience their life in a flash, judging themselves for how they treated others. Now here's the kicker (and finally getting to your question): in many cases, the person experiences the life review from the perspective of the person he/she affected. So let's say Bob is having a life review and is reviewing a time in which he harmed Jane. In the life review he feels the pain he caused to Jane, as if he were Jane. This example points to the notion that we are actually part of the same consciousness but in our everyday experience we are viewing life through the lens of our limited, individual brain. In the life review people seem to have the ability to view life through the lens of another.

The brain and body allow consciousness to have specific experiences. So (returning to your original question) experiencing life through the brain of another would be like viewing life through a different lens.

EN: What are the implications for how we might live life and treat one another?

Carl Jung likewise asked many questions
about the nature of consciousness.

MG: If consciousness isn't produced by the brain as I argue in An End to Upside Down Thinking, then the death of the brain/body would not imply the death of consciousness. I provide evidence suggesting that consciousness exists independently of the physical body. In other words, our consciousness lives on when our body dies. This has massive implications for how we live. If we lost the fear of the death, how might we live differently? For some, this changes everything.

If we are all truly interconnected as part of the same underlying consciousness, then all separation we see is an illusion. "You" vs. "me" and "us" vs. "them" are illusions. So if at the core level we are all the same, it becomes irrational to do harm to another. Altruism takes on a new meaning: helping others feels good because we are ultimately helping our "self" as part of the same consciousness. Altruism is then the highest form of selfishness. This changes everything. Imagine how many of the world's problems would shift if we appreciated this notion. The solution to world peace and the survival of the species, in my mind, are dependent upon the realization that we are not separate.

EN: I think here of Jesus in his parable of the sheep and goats, where he says, "As you did it unto the least of these... you did it unto me."

The book has much to ponder. You can find it here on Amazon.com.

Mark Gober Wants to Put an End to Upside Down Thinking

Elizabeth and Farrell Sandy, 1956, with granddaughter Lois.

My grandmother had a stroke in the early 1960’s that resulted in brain surgery at the Mayo Clinic. During the surgery, she had an out-of-body experience in which she was hovering over the operating table observing about 20 minutes of activity by doctors and nurses. An educated woman, this experience sent her on a quest to understand what had happened. Where does the “I” lie in a human? My grandmother was a conscious person looking down upon her own body.

When I was in college I would visit her and we’d discuss the range of things that were routinely on her mind. Is it possible that our minds have much greater power than we realize? Is it possible to move objects with the mind? Is mental telepathy real? Can we know the future? What about remote viewing, where we see or sense something from a distant location? What about communication with people after they are deceased?

I will tell you here that I’ve had three of the preceding experiences personally. Likewise I have had a lifetime interest in philosophy, and how the mind works. For this reason, Mark Gober’s An End to Upside Down Thinking captured my attention because of its bold promise to dispel the myth that “the brain produces consciousness.”

His book is essentially an assault on the arrogant assumptions of science, specifically as it pertains to materialism. Over and over throughout the course of a lifetime we’ve heard the old, old story of how there was a big bang and then all these atoms and molecules kept doing things that led to the emergence of DNA and life and evolution and how the robin’s nest-building developed over millions of years of evolution and the chameleon’s remarkable self-protective color shifting evolved and on and on till there was humanity.

Now that we’re all humans, Gober asks pointedly, where did consciousness come from? How did being aware during out-of-body experiences come from the evolution of matter? How does the notion of life after death evolve from nothing?

In the face of these questions, science has walked down two paths, stemming from their opposing presuppositions. If people “experience” paranormal events or a spiritual visitation after the death of a loved one – as my wife and I and my grandmother have experienced – there will be scientists who deny our experience and explain it away as something chemical in the brain for no other reason than they have already concluded that such can never be.

GOBE'R'S BOOK ADDRESSES THESE ISSUES first by explaining the paradigm shift involved, and then by analyzing the variety of ways in which the inexplicable has been experienced.

In the Preface Mark Gober sets up a framework for the ideas he is about to present. “Whether you realize it or not, most of modern society’s thinking is based upon a philosophy known as ‘materialism’—the notion that physical material, known as ‘matter,’ is fundamental in the universe. In other words, matter is the basis of all reality. Everything is comprised of matter, and everything can be reduced to matter.” Gober immediately undermines this premise.

First, he cites Dr. Bernardo Kastrup, who describes Materialism as “a reasonable castle built upon a rotten foundation.” With a few quick brushstrokes he produces a question that forms the basis of what is to come: “How does a physical body that you can touch produce a non-physical mind that you can’t touch?” Reading this brought me back to my Philosophy of Mind class at Ohio University. Our first paper dealt with the issue of where does the “I” reside in “Who am I?” The problem we had to write about was this. Suppose you wake up one day and your brain has been exchanged with the brain of a person in England. What would you experience? Gober notes that issues surrounding the mind are at the center of what Science magazine has identified as the second hardest question in science: How can something as immaterial as consciousness arise from something as unconscious as matter?

FROM START TO FINISH he delivers quotes and observations which show that Gober is not acting in isolation. For example, this statement from stem-cell biologist Robert Lanza, MD and physicist Bob Berman: “Nothing in modern physics explains how a group of molecules in your brain create consciousness.”

In some ways he's like a newborn child whose eyes have been suddenly opened. Or perhaps Plato's man-in-the-cave who discovers not only that the shadows are only shadows but there's a whole world of light and wonder above ground.

Chapter one introduces the author, with an overview of the book's contents. Chapter two is titled: The Unproven Assumption: "The Brain Produces Consciousness." In chapter three Gober finishes laying the groundwork with a deep dive into Quantum Relativistic Chaos: Proven and Accepted Science that Defies Common Sense. Chapters four through eleven each deal with specific topics beginning with remote viewing (RV), mental telepathy, precognition, etc.

When my grandmother and I would talk about these things in the early 70's she would tell me that the Soviets were studying all these things as if they were real. Gober here presents documents showing how our own CIA was also conducting experiments in these areas, with findings that verify rather than deny some of the premises of the book.

Much has been written about the conflict between science and religion, with scientists themselves on both sides of the issue. Some, in awe of the design and spectacular wonder of the creation, believe it is impossible that this all occurred by accident. Or as the psalmist write, "The heavens declare the glory of God." That is, God's signature is all over creation.

Other scientists, like Richard Dawkins, ridicule faith, much as Marx calls religion the opiate of the masses. Gober cites Dawkins' remark in the preface: "What is faith but belief without evidence?" In response, the author of the Book of Hebrews in the Christian New Testament states that Faith is the evidence of things unseen.

The front cover features a quote by former Harvard University neurosurgeon Eben Alexander, MD, comparing the ideas in this book to the Copernican Revolution, which he states will be minor in contrast. The word "revolution" is probably misleading, though. The ideas of Copernicus probably took a century to become adopted as accepted wisdom.

An End to Upside Down Thinking is a 2018 release by Waterside Press and available on Amazon.